But before that wall was very solid, we can see a similar drama that played out with Howard Hughes. I think he knew enough, like Bigelow and Musk, that he wanted to know more, and he was bold enough to pressure them into giving him some access. But with little success, other than to help build the Integratron, which probably never really worked.
UFO Disclosure and the Occult
from a recent exchange 3/2019
About disclosure: I don’t see it as just some isolated niche issue. Having got more and more into this issue the past years, I say with confidence that the presence of other intelligent beings is foundational to our whole existence. I don’t think one can even understand ancient or recent history without going deep into the topic. So much in the last century has been about technological secrecy, and the implications of that technology have in the past half century become so far from our consensus reality that full disclosure would be impossible anytime soon, since we are incapable of understanding much of the cosmic picture.
I think the recent slew of whistleblowers like Goode and Tompkins are being allowed to let some of this stuff out in ways that are easily dismissed by most people but are an answer to a need that some of us were burning with. After meeting that gentleman at the retirement community, I started digging deeper into the subject, and found it so vast and perplexing that I could only make sense of it with the most far out speculation. Then suddenly Corey Goode appeared on the scene with a detailed picture that makes all of our science fiction look quaint, and merely crystallized what I was already envisioning. I really think those of us that were ready to know called it forth. If there were more proof, it would be devastating to the rest of our culture. This was for those who needed to know, or at least needed a story that brought it all together. In the occult, it is a common theme that the truth is always given in ways that people can handle. The black magic tradition works with different rules, caring less about violating others’ free will, but they have their own reasons for secrecy. Interventions and manipulations open up doors to either side’s opponents.
In Corey’s defense, he has always been especially clear that all these stories are points of view with an agenda, and that there are always more layers and no one has the whole picture. So I think of this era of disclosure as part and parcel with the revelations of Theosophy a century or so ago that were also supposedly called forth by the demands of the culture at that time. We touched briefly on that subject a while back I know, and I know you are more skeptical than me, but if you do at some point get a chance to think through some of this stuff with an open mind, I would be interested in getting your opinion. This website is particularly helpful in evaluating Theosophy and the radical challenge it makes to current science and cosmology. The author David Pratt is very rigorous, in my opinion, and at the very least, very interesting. I have been studying his papers in depth the past year, and he has some of the best research and arguments for controversial issues like climate and earth science:
probably my favorite paper is this one, since India has long been a fascination for me:
I am working along similar lines to contextualize recent esotericism and especially the physics that helps one understand it. I am really excited right now seeing how much Deleuze figured out in general terms, which the alternative science community is coming to through a completely different path
So I would be interested in your explanation for what this whole occult culture is doing. I understand if it is just too “alien” to your perspective and interests. That is understandable. I just have a problem when the assumption is made that that lack of meaning and context is universal so anyone interested must be a naive believer. I don’t find most skeptic explanations convincing. They are usually dismissive not illuminating. Richard Dolan for instance is just a historian who branched out from researching the rise of the CIA so he dismisses people like Corey Goode or even Tompkins who has more evidence at least of his position in the power structure. Dolan’s explanation is that they are probably either lying or are part of a genuine disinfo campaign just to make the real stuff look silly, to discredit the field and obfuscate the truth. Frankly as an external observer, I find it distasteful when they call each other disinfo whenever they don’t agree. Dolan, to his credit, had remained polite, until MUFON pressured him to be on stage with some of these people and he felt forced to publically distance himself from them.
But if they are actually a disinfo campaign, that would be a fascinating story in itself. And while some out of the dozens of supposed whistleblowers now may be lying for attention, it is difficult to square with the details of some of their biographies. It is hard to believe some of these people would do all this just to cruise the lecture circuit and sell a few books while lying through their teeth.
At the very least I think we are seeing with these people the beginnings of the future of religion. Much as Theosophy seeded the New Age, UFOlogy is seeding the culture’s future cosmology. While religion is easy to make fun of, it is basically metaphysics for the masses, and it doesn’t mean that it isn’t based in truth. Dismissing it as revelation hides the value that is every creative meaningful act. True Religion isn’t just someone making up a story. People definitely believe stupid things sometimes, but they do so generally when there is an absence of good shamans to update the stories of the culture. Theosophy was an attempt at that. I really don’t see any clear line between metaphysical philosophy and Theosophy. Analytic philosophers probably don’t either, but I would be surprised if you sided with them here.
We indeed need to grow out of belief and into critical metaphysics, but not into positivism and scientism. Steiner and Deleuze both claim to be doing the important task of creating concepts. Steiner obviously goes way further with that, creating much more elaborate content, but I don’t see a formal difference. One can certainly critique the value and coherence of any formulation, but that is different than negation. My long term project is to flesh out the formal aspects of this perspective. I do this not to justify but to critique, to put this stuff in a meaningful context. So much academic work goes into so much of little consequence, meanwhile the spiritual culture of our age is completely ignored and ridiculed. Much of it deservingly, but we are in the middle of such an explosion of mysteries which deserve to be understood.
As for why people like Bezos are building rockets instead of UFO craft…..
To start with, this isn’t just some fancy propulsion technology. You can’t separate out the real field physics from the whole cosmology and economic implications that go along with it. We can call it antigravity, but it is much more than that. Some call it electrogravitics, but again, these terms are wed to the mainstream physics. Electrogravitics comes from Thomas Townsend Brown who started figuring out some basics back in the 30’s. But he was quickly brought into the military projects and his public work on the subject stopped. Soon after, the subject disappeared out of the aviation journals rather suddenly even though it had been a hugely promising and popular topic. Everyone involved just stopped. Skeptics could write that off to a dead end, but researchers that have dug deeper find the trails. That time period required a little more direct intervention but soon after the whole field of propulsion physics was off in another direction. It only takes a little nudge to alter the course of science when you have the power. Someone can get close, but they show up and tell you that they already have this shit figured out but it is classified. You get some money or you get some access and after a while, few people of means even go in that direction anyway. There just aren’t any roads that lead to the kind of physics you need.
Nowadays its mostly eccentric engineers in their garage trying to just tap into the field with overunity devices. McCandlish told a story when he was on Cosmic Disclosure about a close friend of his that started getting overunity in his private workshop and the next day got a visit from the suits. It isn’t “free energy”, it taps right into the field and that immediately shows up on a screen somewhere apparently. So basically there is no one that knows exactly how this stuff works that will talk.
A further question should be, what are they doing with these crafts? Where is all this technology going? It certainly has little to do with the geopolitical struggles here, at least the possible conflicts we are involved in. When Catherine Austin Fitts was in charge of the books at HUD and she realized it was part of a vast financial scheme, she couldn’t fathom where all this money was going. She didn’t care about UFOs but she came to realize the amount of money being channeled to something had to be huge. She eventually realized that a big portion of our global economy is being manipulated to fund another civilization. (Not the whole thing, there are outliers resisting, which does drive a lot of the global politics these days).
So taking even a fraction of this into account, does your question still make sense? In what scenario would that question even make sense? Where these craft are going to be developed into commercial travel? Do you really think the new tech billionaires can buy their way into a club so exclusive that wars are fought to protect it from being hijacked? Presidents killed…. JFK was killed for a lot of reasons, but the reasons come into focus when one understands his relationship with Forrestal, the then ongoing power struggle between the White house and the military industrial complex, and the larger conflict between factions Dark Journalist calls “X protect and X share”. DJ tracks this conflict in fascinating detail.
So I don’t know what Bezos knows or doesn’t know. But how about someone else in that category who admits he knows and wants to know more. Here is a clip of Robert Bigelow on 60minutes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moH4qrHReCQ
Why is someone obsessed with UFOs and in the aerospace business not trying to build them? Well we know now that he was trying to get info as part of the program Harry Reid set up. According to the NYTimes Bigelow got some parts, some metal alloys from crashed crafts, but the whole project didn’t get very far. They definitely hit the wall that politicians always hit ever since Eisenhower lost control and the aerospace giants consolidated their program and power and leverage over the military programs. A wall built over the course of decades to protect “X”.
I think it serves many elite interests to continue the myth of the libertarian self made man, innovating our future. Musk is interesting; he probably knows something given some of his AI comments, but I am not sure. Most likely he just knows the boundaries he was given and may have even experienced some pushback when he stepped over them. When it comes down to it, the wealth and power these entrepreneurs have acquired is nothing compared to what has been built and achieved by these highly organized networks of people working with nearly unlimited funds, unchecked power and complete autonomy. Musk can’t even smoke weed without almost losing his support.
Perhaps your question implied something more like why are they all getting into the rocket business? Perhaps that is part of the game they are playing if they do know something. Put some pressure on these people maybe? Most likely it is just that entrepreneurial zest for the frontier. We all grew up expecting a scifi reality by now. But it turns out space isn’t the empty frontier we had hoped. Turns out we have to figure things here out first before we get to play with the others.
So I don’t think there is any one club to buy into with this stuff, no matter how much money someone has. It isn’t even a question of old vs. new money. Certainly there are established cabals around old money that wield a lot of power. But what a lot of research seems to suggest is that the rise to power of the u.s. intelligence communities really complicated the picture. While some factions definitely have some allegiance to western financial elites, after the dust settled in the years immediately following ww2, a lot of the power ended up in the hands of former Nazis within various post war intelligence and research groups, that eventually were able to break free from the financial elites and gain dominance over some of the corporate and military groups.
I think it is pretty clear that people like the Rockefellers don’t even have any access. It seems pretty obvious that they have had an interest in gaining more access and certainly know about the breakaway groups, and they do wield a lot of political power. But political power has become increasingly subordinate. Even with the backing of some deep state players, Trump had little success at challenging the entrenched power blocks. There are a lot of claims about how this is all structured and Goode and Tompkins have given the most detailed account. Michael Salla’s books are the best summary of their information and the support for it. It is far out stuff but it is a very useful framework.
Basically, at the highest level of geopolitics there are two main power blocks on Earth with loose alliances within the breakaway groups (living off planet and within the underground system). The breakaway groups are mostly allied with the Western cabals but have some defectors within working with the reactionary faction of nationalists on Earth that are trying to resist the globalists. There are a lot conservative and immature people in the conspiracy community (like David Wilcock) who overlay their melodramatic hero myth onto this, but Goode himself is actually pretty straightforward about the moral complexity involved. I think anyone that thinks through what is out in the open, even without all the fairy tales, can see that the globalists have good reason to want to take over the world and get us past this stage of existence. And the reactionaries have good reason to doubt that is the best option and that a prolonged fossil fuel economy might help make the inevitable postcapitalist world be more multipolar. And they both probably do awful things. The breakaway groups and their allied aliens tend to have a longer term focus than just global politics. If they do indeed exist as Goode claims, and are looking at the multidimensional picture, it makes sense that they are more concerned with humanity’s evolution than just which sociopaths pretend to rule the planet. But it is not unimportant either. It is just not a simple good vs. evil as the conservative mind tends to frame things and unfortunately they do tend to dominate the conspiracy community.